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You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
Weekly Requirements
Here is a review of the general requirements for each week.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
Thoughts on Application
Roger gave some good thoughts on application:
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
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Marriage Seminar
If you live in the souther Illinois area, we would like to invite you to a Couples' Marriage Enrichment Seminar on Saturday, February 27. It starts at 6:00 p.m and will run to 9:00 p.m.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
The Greatest Love
Since Valentine's Day falls on Sunday this year, I imagine there will be a ton of sermons going out on the topic of love.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Course 11 Week 4
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Dealing with the Closed American Mind
One of the chapters Roger is reading is entitled, (something like) "Dealing with the Closed American Mind." I don't know if it is mentioned in the chapter, but I suspect that if you tak about something where a person has a felt need, you can gain their hearing somewhat.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
Connecting with Postmoderns
This is something most preachers do every Sunday. If you have young unchurched visitors in your church, you will be trying to reach postmoderns. Even some of your church youth are more influenced by postmodernism than by their previous Sunday school teaching.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Preaching--Proclamation of God's Word
Preaching, by one definition, is the proclamation of God's Word. As such, a person, can take the Scriptural passage and find some of its main points and emphasize those points.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
New Format
I am going to try putting my comments for each day in this left sidebar. The comments areas for the remaining weeks are displayed to the right. That is where you will place your comments for each week.
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This week I will be reading Chapters 45-57 in the book titled: The Art and Craft of Biblical Preaching by Haddon Robinson and Craig Brian Larson.
Chapter 45. Connecting With Non-Christians
Chapter 46. How to Translate Male Sermons to Women
Chapter 47. He Said, She Heard
Chapter 48. Connecting With Men
Chapter 49. Creating the Singles Friendly Sermon
Chapter 50. Preaching to Preschoolers
Chapter 51. Hispanic-American Preaching
Chapter 52. African-American Preaching
Chapter 53. Asian-American Preaching
Chapter 54. Work Wins
Chapter 55. One Sermon, Two Messages
Chapter 56. The Playful Preacher
Chapter 57. What Authority Do We Have?
In chapter 45:Connecting with Non-Christians, the writer suggest that to preach to this audience the preacher must identify certain issues in the crowd, this is called analyzing an audience. The preacher must analyze the listeners and attempt to identify and speak to the audiences experiences, problems,and questions to serve as a point of contact between listener and text. In my view this might not be to difficult in a preachers home church but would be difficult while visiting and speaking to a another church.
How to Translate Male Sermons to Women, that is the title to chapter 46. This opened up a whole new thought process for me considering that I gave no thought to making my words worth hearing by women. Ruth Tiffiny Barnhouse compares the thought process of men and women to that of eyesight, explaining that men see with macular vision and women with peripheal vision, in other words men see and focus on one thing while women using peripheal vision see the whole context of things. So this poses a challenge for the speaker male or female preaching or teaching to a mixed crowd. Therefore translating sermons from masculine to feminine and visa versa, I hope that made some sense.
So, how do you translate a male sermon to a female sermon? I'm sure you don't want to do that completely. We also need to especially connect with men too, but that is another topic, isn't it?
To translate a sermon from a male view to the female is a complex thing, first men need to remember to include them in the sermon, we should say "men and women" or "women and men" intead of just "men" ,sometimes men need to take violence out of the message which speaks loudly to men and replace it with something that speaks evenly to both, like the difference in hockey and figure skating.This is translating a masculine image to a feminine image,men should remember to translate masculine language to speak a feminine language. Tricky stuff, but being made aware of these facts and of course the leading of The Holy Spirit a message can reach both effectively.
The next chapter is much the same titled: He Said, She Heard. This chapter talks about the different ways men and women communicate, missionaries call the way to speak to an audience "contextualization", translators use "dynamic equivalence, but communication between men and women is called "genderlects". Men speak directly to an audience while women speak indirectly. The man says" I'm hungry let's eat, the woman says," I'm hungry do you think we should get somrething to eat? Genderlects are in our lives so we must deal with the words we eay and what is heard.
Tough Guys, the writer in chapter 48, "Connecting with Men", writes about connecting with the tough guys that attend the church he pastors. He explains himself as a doctrinal, long winded, and expository type preacher, asking the tough guys, what brings you back. Surprisingly they said good solid preaching, doctrinal issues, grace, and clarity of the messages. You've got to remember who these tough guys are, bricklayers, mechanics, kickboxers and anyone else who works with his hands. Maybe their not so tough when the Holy Spirit melts their hearts. Amen
Chapter 51: Hispanic-American Preaching, talks about the differences in the two cultures and how to relate to both. This is very important due to the increase in the merging of our cultures. Unity FWB Church took a short mission trip to Mexico some years ago and the culture shock was overwelming to my family. The writer talks about the connection between these cultures as well as some differences, different in the way we preach. Some issues to address are identity,significance,and freedom, these can all be related to John 4, when Jesus crosses the Jewish-Samaritan line to teach to another culture. To speak to the Hispanic we have to adapt our preaching to their style of hearing, hispanic preaching is passionate,vulnerable, and expects a response.
Very good information, Roger, keep it coming. I will see you next Saturday.
In chapter 54 titled "Work Wins" the writer talks about how we can be discouraged by work, after all work was the curse of Adam, Gen.3:17, Cursed is the ground because of you,through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. So work can be painful, thus we need a pain reliever, that pain reliever is the "Balm of Gilead",the balm that heals the sin sick soul may as well work for the bruised sick soul. AMEN
"One Sermon, Two Messages", not quite that uncommon, my wife and I have talked over sermons we have set through and both of us have recieved something different from it. The writer of chapter 55 is talking about the same sermon preached to two different congregations, one being "traditional" and the other being "contempory", same church, same message just two different groups.
How is this done? First the writer faithfully exegetes the message, in other words he studies and interprets the text, second he tells stories tying the setting with the crowd, and third he preaches to create vision, in other words he"stirs" the people. Sounds easy "One Sermon, Two Messages". God Bless
Bro. Randy, hope you had a safe trip, and may The Lord bless it in a great way.
Chapter 57, titled: "What Authority Do We Have Anymore?, is written by Haddon Robinson, speaking on the authority and credibility of preachers in these latter days. Robinson writes that before speaking to the congregation that he speaks for them, this connects him to their condition. He writes that you have to have your facts correct or the audience will not listen. He also speaks with authority in order to lead,he states "Your a loser,I'm a loser; let keep losing together, that attitude will get you no where. He mentions also to display character, be the speaker that not only speaks love but one that displays it also.
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