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You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
Weekly Requirements
Here is a review of the general requirements for each week.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
Thoughts on Application
Roger gave some good thoughts on application:
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
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Marriage Seminar
If you live in the souther Illinois area, we would like to invite you to a Couples' Marriage Enrichment Seminar on Saturday, February 27. It starts at 6:00 p.m and will run to 9:00 p.m.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
The Greatest Love
Since Valentine's Day falls on Sunday this year, I imagine there will be a ton of sermons going out on the topic of love.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Course 11 Week 4
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Dealing with the Closed American Mind
One of the chapters Roger is reading is entitled, (something like) "Dealing with the Closed American Mind." I don't know if it is mentioned in the chapter, but I suspect that if you tak about something where a person has a felt need, you can gain their hearing somewhat.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
Connecting with Postmoderns
This is something most preachers do every Sunday. If you have young unchurched visitors in your church, you will be trying to reach postmoderns. Even some of your church youth are more influenced by postmodernism than by their previous Sunday school teaching.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Preaching--Proclamation of God's Word
Preaching, by one definition, is the proclamation of God's Word. As such, a person, can take the Scriptural passage and find some of its main points and emphasize those points.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
New Format
I am going to try putting my comments for each day in this left sidebar. The comments areas for the remaining weeks are displayed to the right. That is where you will place your comments for each week.
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This week I will be reading chapters 166-179 in the book:" The Art and Craft of Biblical Preaching " by Haddon Robinson and Craig Brian Larson.
Chapter 166. The Source of Passion
Chapter 167. Pathos Needed
Chapter 168. Preaching with Intensity
Chapter 169. No Notes, Lots of Notes
Chapter 170. In the Eye of The Hearer.
Chapter 171. No Voice, No Preach
Chapter 172. Eliminating My Um,Um, Annoying Pulpit Mannerisms
Chapter 173. Reading Scripture in Public
Chapter 174. The Importance of Being Urgent.
Chapter 175. The Day I Lost My Nerve.
Chapter 176. When You Don't Look Forward to Special Days
Chapter 177. Preaching The Terrors
Chapter 178. Preparing People to Suffer
Chapter 179. Preaching Hell in a Intolerable Age.
Chapter 166 is written by, Paul Scott Wilson titled:"The Source of Passion. He speaks of passion in a sermon being mistaken as an emotional issue when in fact Bro. Wilson teaches that it is a theological issue. When you preach on an encounter with God you can get theological about God passionately. We often prepare a sermon to show what God can offer, instead of preparing to show that we can communicate with God. That is when we can become passionate about God. AMEN!!!
Pathos Needed, that is the title to chapter 167 and it is written by :Jeffery Arthurs. Mr Arthurs speaks about having a sense of regard for emotion. Pathos defined by Websters is the quality in a person that evokes sadness or pity, Conley defines it as feeling or emotion. Mr. Arthurs teaches us that it is emotion or emotions that influence our decision making, when preaching in the area of salvation I would that a person have an experience than an emotion to influence their decision for Christ, although a jolt to their emotional side is a way to reach their decision making in that area. I say use all the tools God has gifted you with, but preach the truth and everyone wins.
Chapter 168 is titled: "Preaching with Intensity", and is written by Kevin A. Miller. Bro. Miller speaks about the intensity that a preacher can develop about a sermon while preparing, and keeping that intensity during delivery. He mentions spending hours in preparing, reading several commentaries, as well as all the text, hours upon hours, and thirty minutes to deliver, so much to say and so much intensity to bring across to your audience.
No Notes, Lots of Notes, Brief Notes,that is the title of chapter 169, and it is written by Jeffrey Arthurs. Mr. Arthurs explains the pros and cons of preaching with notes and without, first we'll discuss the no note sermon.
This method is kind of risky seeing you are on a high wire working without a net. With this method the thought of losing your thought is sometimes stressful. If you should lose your train of thought you could become nervous and agitated and the audience will react to your emotion. Some of the drawbacks of no note preaching is that it takes to long to prepare, after all you have to memorize your sermon and that takes alot of time, second, is organization of your sermon so that it has a flow to it, then again that takes to much of your prep time, and then there is that element of forgetfulness. There are ways though to be an effective no note preacher. Make things simple but even those sermons lack the intensity we learned a chapter or two back. I will comment on Lots of Notes in my next post. Thank you and God Bless you!!
Using lots of notes is another method of delivering a message, it means to write a very detailed outline or some may call it a manuscript. Some reasons to use this method are, it creates security, it also gives you comfort of knowing the wording is correct, and it will provide you with a record or history. There are some reasons not to use this method as well, when you read it sounds like your reading, using this method makes it difficult to make eye contact, and it will produce very little interaction with your congregation.
Now for "brief notes", Jeffery Authurs writes, the brief note sermon is the best of both worlds. He writes that brief notes meaning a very limited amount of notes, almost a skeleton in fact to free yourself from the manuscript or the no-note sermon. Brief note sermons contain the strength of lots of notes and minimizes the weaknesses of no-note sermons. Develop your own system when it comes to brief note sermons, mark your bible, make your notes on a 4x6 card and tuck it in your bible and it gives you freedom to move and preach.
Chapter 174, "The Importance of Being Urgent", written by John Ortberg is a short chapter with a big punch. He sub-titles this chapter:"Overcoming things that defuse sincere passion". There should be some sense of urgency in all sermons and the sooner we get self out of the way the more God can do. That is the reason for this chapter, Bro. Ortberg says that carnality creeps in on him when he starts wondering how his sermon is going, does the crowd look attentive, does he think things are going well, it is getting that personal anxiety out of the way and presenting Jesus, and allowing the Holy Spirit room to work. Thats the urgency first, give the Holy Spirit something to work with.
Chapter 179 titled:"Preaching Hell in a Tolerant Age" is written by, Timothy Keller. Bro. Keller says that in order to preach the "Good News" we have to preach the bad. There are many people in todays time that don't think that there really is a hell or heaven. We have two different groups of people populating our churches today, the traditionalist, and the postmoderns.
These two groups of oeople will tend to hear the message of Hell in different ways. Let's talk about the traditionalist, they usually have a strong belief in God and they will tend to have a high moral value and a background of absolutes. When preaching to this group all you need to preach is the fact that their sin seperates them from God, their belief in God and fear of hell will usually create a response toward repentance. They usually have a sense of the seriousness of sin. Therefore you must preach Hell to attract the traditionalist to the love of God.
Timothy Keller, writes in chapter 179,"Preaching Hell in a Tolerant Age, speaks of preaching to the postmoderns. They are usually the ones who get fighting mad over the mention of Hell, this group has very little belief in the divine realm, low moral value, and very few absolutes and tend to be liberal. When preaching Hell to this group they feel they need to be true to their dreams.
Did they have any good tips that you could share with us for eliminating annoying pulpit mannerisms?
You can put the answer to that question on next week (week 8) if you wish.
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