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You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
Weekly Requirements
Here is a review of the general requirements for each week.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
Thoughts on Application
Roger gave some good thoughts on application:
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
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Marriage Seminar
If you live in the souther Illinois area, we would like to invite you to a Couples' Marriage Enrichment Seminar on Saturday, February 27. It starts at 6:00 p.m and will run to 9:00 p.m.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
The Greatest Love
Since Valentine's Day falls on Sunday this year, I imagine there will be a ton of sermons going out on the topic of love.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Course 11 Week 4
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Dealing with the Closed American Mind
One of the chapters Roger is reading is entitled, (something like) "Dealing with the Closed American Mind." I don't know if it is mentioned in the chapter, but I suspect that if you tak about something where a person has a felt need, you can gain their hearing somewhat.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
Connecting with Postmoderns
This is something most preachers do every Sunday. If you have young unchurched visitors in your church, you will be trying to reach postmoderns. Even some of your church youth are more influenced by postmodernism than by their previous Sunday school teaching.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Preaching--Proclamation of God's Word
Preaching, by one definition, is the proclamation of God's Word. As such, a person, can take the Scriptural passage and find some of its main points and emphasize those points.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
New Format
I am going to try putting my comments for each day in this left sidebar. The comments areas for the remaining weeks are displayed to the right. That is where you will place your comments for each week.
22 comments:
Randy, I thank you for the help on the phone today. The title of my book is THE NEW TESTAMENT. It has a total of twenty-four chapters. I should be able to read at least one chapter a day. I really am looking forward to this.
Tyler
The title of my book is THE NEW TESTAMENT. The first chapter is called The Political History During the Intertestamental Period. It gives the different periods fo captivity that the Jews had controlling them from Babylon to Rome. It seems that all of the empires that controlled Israel had really made them lose thier way. No wonder the religious leaders of that day were so skeptical about Jesus on one hand and desperately looking for a Saviour on the other hand.
Tyler
I am going to read Four chapters a week in this book.
1.The Political History of Palastine During the Intertestamental Period
2. Life in the World of the New Testament
3.The Religious Background to the New Testament
4.The Canon, Text, and Genre of the New Testament.
Tyler
Great! Does your book have a subtitle? Something that might follow a colon, or maybe something written on another line underneath the main title?
Wow! Look. You've already got three quality posts, and we haven't even started yet.
Your chapters look interesting. You may want to post something about each one every day. That will work well since we will each be logging on at least five out of the seven days each week.
I especially enjoy the discussion of the canon, but I will talk more about it when we ge to that.
Tyler - Who were some of the major players in the political history during the Intertestamental Period?
- Randy
Randy-the subtitle fo my book is; ITS BACKGROUND AND MESSAGE. I am sorry for not putting it on my first comment. Antiochus of Syria had control fo Israel after the reign of Ptolemy. I find the Maccabean Period to be interesting. It started with Mattathias. His son,Judas, took over when he died. After Judas was killed, his brother Jonathan became leader followed by Simon. After they restored temple worship, there seemed to be peace in Palastine until the Romans came. I did not know that the festival of Hanukkah commerates what they did.
Tyler
The second chapter talks about the culture during those times. The clothing that they wore was easy to make and seems to have been made of wool or linen. They wore sandals and some even went barefoot. The author thinks that Jesus may have been bi-lingual because Greek was the language of business in that day. I find the institution fo marriage to be interesting. The fathers of the couple to be made the decision. The father of the groom would have to pay the father of the bride compensation because he would be losing a worker in his household. I am glad that it is not that way now! Well that is about all for now.
Tyler
Yes, it is quite possible that not only Jesus, but many of the people may have spoken Greek during that time. Luke, Paul, and other New Testament writers certainly did. Today, many people speak English, even if it is not their first language. It is likely that Greek was similarly widespread.
I think that had something to do with the conquests of Alexander the Great. The control of the world under Greek rule caused the language to spread.
It is probably because of the widespread use of the Greek language that the New Testament was written primarily in Greek.
What were some of the major religions present at the time that Jesus came on the scene?
I think that so many different factors went into the culture of the Jews in that day. The Jews were looking for a messiah, but they weren't looking for THE MESSIAH. They had fell into that miry clay fo religious practice and forgot about the relationship with God. I think that sometimes we do the same when we don't focus on Jesus. I just thought about that a lot when I was reading chapter three.
Tyler
I was planning on commenting on the different religions back then in my post today. That was the content of chapter three in my book. They had the Greek gods whom the Romans simply changed some names of the gods. Some emperors even instituted emperor worship! There were some mystery religions that the author says were very secretive and even to this day are unknown. There was also an early form of gnosticism and,of course, judaism. The Jews were divided into two main groups, the Hebraists and the Diaspora. The Hebraists were traditional Jews who spoke aramaic and lived in the Holy Land. The Diaspora lived outside the Holy Land and usually spoke Greek. They were usually open to the Greco-Roman culture.
Tyler
Tyler - Were the Jews of the Diaspora sometimes called Hellenistic Jews, or is there a further distinction there? Did your book mention at all the term, "Hellenistic Jews"?
Just curious. - Randy
Randy- the Diaspora were also known as Hellinistic Jews. The book did mention this fact. I guess the Hebrews looked down on them because they were open to Roman culture. Do you think that we sometimes,even unintentionally, do the same thing?
Tyler
The fourth chapter is about the canon, text, and genre of the New Testament. Church leaders determined canonocity by three factors-
1. Orthodoxy-the teaching of the book followed the beliefs and practices of the church.
2. Apostolicity- the book had to show authorship of an apostle or by the associate of the apostle.
3. Universality- The book had to be accepted by a large portion of the church.
The text refers to textual criticism. This is to help to recover the orginal text of the New Testament. The materials used were manuscripts of the Greek New Testament, ancient versions like the Syriac and Latin, and quotations of early church leaders.
The genre is in four categories in the New Testament. They are; biography(the Gospels), letters(the epistles), history(Acts), and a combo of prophetic and apocalyptic writings(Revalation).
Tyler
"Higher Criticsm" is a term that most evangelicals or biblically conservative preachers steer away from as far as wanting to follow its practices. Basically higher criticism views the Bible just like any other book. It looks at it just like a lost person would.
Those of us who are saved recognize the supernatural power of the Word.
However, textual criticism, is generally considered to be a good thing in that textual criticism seeks to find the best manuscripts possible to use for Bible translation.
Thanks for the reply about the Hellenistic Jews. I thought that it sounded like the author was talking about them.
Yes, there is a danger of being assimilated too much into a culture. Missonaries especially have to wrestle with this issue.
To be sure, there should be a balance. We do not want to become isolationists where we try to remove ourselves completely from the culture. On the other hand, we don't want to be indistinguishable from the world (culture) either. Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, dealt with both issues. He encouraged us to be separate from the world. However, in other matters, he also encouraged us by his example to be "all things to all people" that we might win some.
When we find that balance, we often see people being influenced positively to consider the Gospel.
Tyler - In your study of the canon, I hope you were able to read the post I made about the canon and inspiration of Scripture.
How could what you have read in these four chapters be helpful to someone starting out in ministry?
I think that a person starting out in the ministry could use the info in the book to talk more about the way of life back in those times. They could use the issues about the political arena at the time to teach the hows and whys about peoples attitudes toward Jesus. The text about the canon was my favorite part so far. I really enjoyed your post on the canon. I think that lost people do look at the scriptures without the inpiration of the Holy Spirit in mind. I liked the comparison to the lawyer's office. I have never thought of it that way before.
Tyler
I really enjoyed the quarterly meeting. I was fortunate to be asked to preach the afternoon service. It was kind of a struggle to prepare, but God gave me the words and thoughts. He still continues to amaze me on a daily basis! I am glad to have got to know some new friends and enjoy fellowship with them. I enjoyed the message an Friday night. I really appreciate the hospitality of all my new friends in Christ.I am looking forward to the next one. People have treated me like a member of the family and that really means a lot to me.
Tyler
Tyler - It was good to see you again at the Quarterly. I'm glad you were chosen to preach for the afternoon service. Sorry I missed it. If you don't mind, please update me on what your preached about.
What was your text?
What was the main idea you wanted to get across?
- Randy
Randy-The text that I preached about was in Luke 10:25-35. When tthe lawyer asked what he could do to inherit eternal life, Jesus asked him a question about the law. The lawyer knew the right thing to say. Jesus then began to tell a story. I talked about that in this story, Jesus lays out the plan of God throughout history. The man symbolized Adam when he sinned (going from Jerusalem to Jericho). The priest was Moses who brought the law, but it could not help the man. The Levite was Aaron who performed sacrifices, but this also could not help him. The samaritan was despised by the Jews-just like Jesus. He had compassion on him and bound his wounds. He gave him oil(Holy Spirit) and wine(the blood of Jesus). That is what Jesus left us. Then he took the man to the inn(the church)and told the innkeeper to take care of him. That is why we need to be in church after we get saved! There was more but, for time's sake, I couldn't put all of it on here. That was the main points of it.
Tyler
Thanks - You made use of analogy as you developed this message. You will hear more about that when you come to a course dealing with preaching.
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