Preachers Meeting: Course 10 Week 5 Main Posting Area

Tuesday, November 24, 2009

Course 10 Week 5 Main Posting Area

12 comments:

Dr. Randy Carney said...: roger said...
Thanks Bro. Randy, I need all the encouragement I can get, you know how I am with surveys, but all in all I have gained some knowledge with this one. Amen

November 24, 2009 3:25 PM; November 24, 2009 at 11:21 PM
Dr. Randy Carney said...: Bro. Roger,

Tyler left a message on my cell phone saying he is having computer problems. He will not be blogging for a while, so I will try to comment some more in the next several days.; November 24, 2009 at 11:23 PM
roger said...: This week I will be reading:
Chapter 10: The Historical Jesus
The Quest and Chronology
Chapter 11: The Birth and Childhood of Jesus; November 25, 2009 at 6:26 AM
Dr. Randy Carney said...: If the "historical Jesus" discussion seems a ltittle confusing, let me know. Some people who have gone a quest for the historical have done it from an approach that seemed to undermine Scripture. I do assure you that Free Will Baptists are fully committed to the inerrancy of the Word of God.

I hope you enjoy your chapters.; November 25, 2009 at 10:52 AM
roger said...: There are three approaches to the historical Jesus talked about in this chapter, they are Rationalist, Mythologizers and the Liberals, these groups of people are predominate in the quest for the Historical Jesus.; November 25, 2009 at 9:05 PM
roger said...: In The Quest for the Chronology of Jesus or I should say in The Life of Christ, putting dates to his life was done through putting dates to things that took place in history such as when certain kings riegned or for the Romans it would have been the date whem Rome was established, some are called "reasonable approximations" , and another way was just an educated guess at best. Another reason dating was difficult was the fact that the Jewish calandar and the Roman calendar started at different time in the year.; November 27, 2009 at 7:06 AM
roger said...: Chapter 11 talks about the birth and childhood of Jesus, and about the different writers of the Gospels, while Mark and John tell us nothing about the birth of Jesus Matthew and Luke tells us a great deal about that "Grand event",yet in two very different ways, and Mr. Blomberg explains again the fact that they came from two different social, geographical, and occupational lifestyles, not to mention educational, so yes they may tell the same story in different terms yet the same story overall. A brother in Christ told me that if you take Jesus out of the story then you have no book. AMEN; November 28, 2009 at 10:23 AM
roger said...: In chapter 12 Craig Blomberg teaches " The Beginning of Jesus' Ministry", and the fact that Jesus' ministry started in Cana and ended in Cana as recorded in John's Gospel, and talks about the differences and similarities in the discourse with Nicodemus and the Samaritan woman. One being educated and of stature in the Jewish sect while the other a foreigner and uneducated about any Jewish law, still both discourses are needed to further our understanding of Jesus' ministry; November 29, 2009 at 2:01 PM
Dr. Randy Carney said...: Bro. Roger,

I hope you had a Happy Thanksgiving.

Ralanna and Chip made it in, so we were all here exept for Rusty, Brenda, and Grace.

In the "historical Jesus," chapter, you gave me a little more information that was helpful to me. My comment in my main posting area on Wednesday was related to the mythologizers (or de-mythologers) and liberals.

Can you tell me a little more about the rationalists. Are they people who are just trying to find the chronology of events? If so, I could see Bible believers engaged in that process, and I could see that as being a good thing.

The dy-mythologizing and liberal viewpoint I do not see as such a good thing.

Can you tell me a little more about the "rationalist?" Am I on track in what I was thinking about that term?; November 29, 2009 at 3:34 PM
roger said...: Bro. Randy, in chapter 4: Histoical Criticism of the Gospels, rationalist were introduced such as Samuel Reimarus and H.E.G. Paulus, also known as naturalist, sought to explain the miracles of Jesus like this: the feeding of the 5 thousand involved a group of rich people sharing their lunch with the crowd, and that Jesus did not actually walk on the water he was simply wading, as far as the chronology of events I don't believe they were looking for the good, probably to dismiss the diety of Jesus and his actual existence with God. I hope I made that clear, sometimes I get my words mixed up. Thanks for the question.; November 30, 2009 at 7:24 AM
roger said...: In the Beginning of Jesus' Ministry, Craig Blombreg discusses the newness of Jesus' ministry and what it actually brought with it, it brought new joy, it brought a new temple, it brought a new birth, it brought a new universal plan of salvation. Praise the Lord!!!; November 30, 2009 at 7:29 AM
Dr. Randy Carney said...: Roger,

Thanks for the clarification of the naturalist. That, then, to me puts him in the category of the other two. None of those seem to be good postions to me.; December 2, 2009 at 2:59 PM

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Thoughts on Application

Roger gave some good thoughts on application:

"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.

"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,

"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,

"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,

"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."

Marriage Seminar

If you live in the souther Illinois area, we would like to invite you to a Couples' Marriage Enrichment Seminar on Saturday, February 27. It starts at 6:00 p.m and will run to 9:00 p.m.

After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.

The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."

The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."

Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."

The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.

The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!

To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.

The Greatest Love

Since Valentine's Day falls on Sunday this year, I imagine there will be a ton of sermons going out on the topic of love.

Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.

Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.

Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.

Connecting with Postmoderns

This is something most preachers do every Sunday. If you have young unchurched visitors in your church, you will be trying to reach postmoderns. Even some of your church youth are more influenced by postmodernism than by their previous Sunday school teaching.

Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:

"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."

I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.

Preaching--Proclamation of God's Word

Preaching, by one definition, is the proclamation of God's Word. As such, a person, can take the Scriptural passage and find some of its main points and emphasize those points.

While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.

People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.