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You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
Weekly Requirements
Here is a review of the general requirements for each week.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
Thoughts on Application
Roger gave some good thoughts on application:
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
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Marriage Seminar
If you live in the souther Illinois area, we would like to invite you to a Couples' Marriage Enrichment Seminar on Saturday, February 27. It starts at 6:00 p.m and will run to 9:00 p.m.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
The Greatest Love
Since Valentine's Day falls on Sunday this year, I imagine there will be a ton of sermons going out on the topic of love.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Course 11 Week 4
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Dealing with the Closed American Mind
One of the chapters Roger is reading is entitled, (something like) "Dealing with the Closed American Mind." I don't know if it is mentioned in the chapter, but I suspect that if you tak about something where a person has a felt need, you can gain their hearing somewhat.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
Connecting with Postmoderns
This is something most preachers do every Sunday. If you have young unchurched visitors in your church, you will be trying to reach postmoderns. Even some of your church youth are more influenced by postmodernism than by their previous Sunday school teaching.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Preaching--Proclamation of God's Word
Preaching, by one definition, is the proclamation of God's Word. As such, a person, can take the Scriptural passage and find some of its main points and emphasize those points.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
New Format
I am going to try putting my comments for each day in this left sidebar. The comments areas for the remaining weeks are displayed to the right. That is where you will place your comments for each week.
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The title of my book is THE NEW TESTAMENT: ITS BACKGROUND AND MESSAGE. The authors are Thomas D. Lea and David Alan black. There are going to be two chapters this week.
21. The Epistles of 1 and 2 Peter
22. The Johannine Epistles
Tyler
Chapter twenty-one talks about the epistles of 1 and 2 Peter. They are mostly about christian suffering . Peter wanted his readers to remember why they must suffer. They must suffer because Jesus told the disciples that they would suffer for His name. Some sholars think that 2 Peter was not written by the apostle himself, but I disagree because Peter speaks of the first book in his second letter. What do you guys think?
Tyler
See my comment in the other section (Week 2 A).
I always thought Peter wrote the books that bear his name.
Some writers did use an "amanuensis" which is someone who wrote down the words of another. That would still mean the one doing the dictating was the author, however.
I hadn't really gave it a whole lot of thought, but I read in one of my study bibles that there were ones who thought 2 Peter was written by someone else. It says it was authored near the time of his death so they beleived it was maybe written by a scribe that he was dictating to. Also it said that because there were similarities in Jude that there might be some suspicion.
I know these books were canonized and they were written by people (spirit inspired) who lived close to when Jesus was alive, but have you read anything other than the bible you think could be canonized? And I'm not necessarily meaning the Gnostics. Anything up to today? I dont know if I have but was just something that popped in my head.
Wow, Sean, provocative question.
I think that the way the Holy spirit brought about the recognition of Scripture causes the process of canonization to be closed in that what we have in Sripture is complete as the written revelation of God, His principles for living, and the complete plan of salvation.
One of the things that has characterized cults throughout history is thier attempts to add new revelation or to add books and writings that they say are equally inspired as Scripture. The Book of Mormon would be an example. They even describe it in their television advertisements as "another testament of Jesus Christ."
On the other hand, we don't mean to say tht the Lord no longer speaks. It's just that the Bible is the "measurig reed" (like a yard stick or ruler) by which we judge newer writings.
The Lord may "inspire" new writings in the sense that He motivates the writer to write them, but I do not think that process is the same as what He did in forming Scripture. In that process, He superintended the writings in such a way that what ended up (even every word) expressed exactly what He wanted said.
So, since canonization of Scripture is a historical event that acknowledged what the early Christians already recognized as Scripture, in that sense, I would say there are no new writings that should be "canonized" at least in that sense.
Here is a repeat of my earlier comment dealing with canonization and inspiration of Scripture.
What was the process of inspiration like?
Here is an example that I presented in the class "Sifting Sensibly: The Thinking Man's Guide to Biblical Faith."
"Someone may say, upon reading the different books of the Bible, the different authors write with different styles. How can the claim be that these are all God's words. A comparison would be to view an imaginary business, say a lawyer's office. Perhaps the lawyer has a legal brief he needs to present. He also is very busy, so he looks around his law firm and finds a third-year law student and gives him the assignment to write the legal brief. The lawyer tells the student the arguments he wants presented, but he leaves it with the student for the actual writing. After the student works on the brief, he gives it back to the lawyer. Up to this point, the style is completely the student's. The lawyer reads the brief very carefully. He finds many sentences written by the student that express the ideas he wants to put forth. Sometimes he will find a word that is not strong enough, so he will cross out that word and replace it with his own. At other times, he replaces entire sentences or paragraphs with his own wording. Sometimes he will give input and ask the student to rewrite a certain section. Finally the brief is finished when the lawyer approves it. At this point, the brief is no longer the student's. It is now the lawyer's. Some of it will contain style or flavoring that is unique to the student, but the lawyer claims responsibility for what is said in the entire draft. The brief, then represents exactly what the lawyer wants communicated."
I believe the process of the inspiration of Scripture was similar. God superintended the process in such a way that when His servant had in his mind a certain wording of the truth that God wanted communicated, and God in effect said, "Yes, that's what I want expressed," He allowed the writer to write down those very words. That accounts for different human "styles." However, when His servant came up with something contrary to what God wanted expressed (at least in the case of Scripture writing) God replaced what the human would have written with an exact word that He chose. The end result was that what was written as Scripture was exactly what and how God wanted it expressed. Also, in some cases, the wording carried the style of the human writers because they expressed what God wanted said in an acceptable way based on the idea that God placed in their minds.
Anyway, I hope you enjoyed your study of the canon of Scripture.
Thanks for the response, I too believe that Bible does say all that God needs to say to help us thru life. I also believe he speaks in his creation and in other people or thru them. I guess I was thinking about when I found out that the Bible was assembled by men, it made me think, how could've they been sure, and if they knew the impact it would have on the world. I would like to clarify that I do believe that the Bible is Gods Word (all of it). But, until you read it in spirit, I can see where a person could wonder. Also, I don't know the whole story on the assembling of the Bible, so I'm speculating a litte.
Some people think that all preachers should be loud and "fired up". i disagree with this. Some of the most powerful sermons that I have heard have been delivered softly. I also know some people who think that a preacher should never get loud at all. I disagree with this also. I don't really concern myself with the volume as long as the preaching is good. I have to admit,though, I tend to get a litle loud when I preach. I am writng this just to start some conversation about some of your most memorable messages, preachers, or even messages that you have preached. Is there someone whom you really look up to? There are three that I always like to hear-Billy Graham, John Hagee, and David Jeremiah. I look forward to reading what you guys post on this subject.
Tyler
Some I would add to the list are: Charles Stanley, and two who have gone on to be with the Lord--D. James Kennedy, and Adrian Rogers. D. James Kennedy's insights were always well thought out. Adrian Rogers had an excellent command of the use of variety in his voice to communicate. If you hear a replay of one of his sermons, make it a point to see how he varies his volume,rate and pitch as he speaks.
You mentioned that one of the themes that Peter emphasizes has to do with suffering. How does suffering play a part in shaping indiviuals that God can use?
I also like the ones you both have mentioned. One that I like to watch is Joel Osteen. He's good at encouraging and uses the Word to do it. Ones I enjoy reading is Rob Bell and Donald Miller. I also read a lot of Spurgeon, I go to a web site that has all of his sermons catagorized by scripture, if I'm into a certain part of Bible, I will usually look up a sermon he said on it. I believe its called spurgeongems if you ever want to check it out.
I've thought about why suffering exists alot. I really cant grasp the thought of how life would be without it. Its such a big part of life in general. What I have learned through my own experiences is that if we let it, it brings you closer to God in a way that I dont know it could've if it hadn't of happened. I know somewhere in the Bible it says its a privilege to suffer for Christ and I understand what they are meaning about that. I'm speaking more of why we suffer physically or mentally. I've spoken to a friend with MS and is wheelcahir bound about this. He doesnt have a definite answer but he brings up that we have a hope that he wont be in that chair when he leaves here. He also knows God still uses him now. He also quoted Rom 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. This goes on to tell us how nothing can seperate us from God if we put our trust in Him. So he gives us Hope, which is essential in dealing with suffering.
I would also like to add something about suffering. I read a book one time that I can't seem to remember the name of it that said that sometimes God allows us to suffer in order to make us lean more on Him. This is an interesting point. I have had some things happen to me that make me wonder about this. I also have tried different things to try to help me in these situations, but they never do. That is when all we have left to do is lean totally on God. You know what- that is when it seems to be the only thing that helps.
Tyler
Randy- I also need to tell you that I have a new e-mail address. It is taowens022804@verizon.net
Tyler
Chapter twenty-two talks about te epistles of 1,2,and 3 John. I think that the purpose of 1 John, he wanted to provide a foundation for the assurance of salvation and he wanted to warn of false teachers. 1 John gave three tests to identify those who belonged to God-
1. Right belief- the person had to believe that Jesus had come in the flesh.
2. Right behavior- demanded rightious living
3. Right attitude- demande evidence of love for people
John kept repeating these tests throughout 1 John. 2 and 3 John were for specific resons in the church and to certain people
Tyler
This has been a rough week for me. I am having trouble at work adjusting to the heat. Also, this wrist injury has been causing a lot of trouble. I am going to be delivering the message on this coming Sunday morning, so I haven't been putting much time into my lessons that I would like to. I'm trying not to sound like I'm complaining, but I feel like I can confide in you guys. You'll never know haw important this daily blog is for me. God Bless You!
Tyler
I've been praying for you, Jason, and Josh for your sermons this week. I'm sure you'll do fine. See you Sun morn.
Good Morning Tyler, I pray peace & comfort on you this morning. I have found Sat. mornings to be when I "feel" closer to God. I'm sure its different with other people. I think its because I dont have to think about work as much, and my mind is more receptive.
Good Morning Randy, Thanks for the work you do on this website and for our organization. You inpsire me.
I need "inspired" to spell better. I notice I have a lot of typos. Sorry. But you do inspire me Randy.
Thanks, Sean,
I am praying for all of you too. You both inspire and encourage me.
Randy
I am grateful for your prayers. I also like Saturday mornings because it is one day closer to Sunday. When it comes to Sundays and Wednesdays, I find that I am so excited that I can hardly sit still. I just can't wait for church so I can worship God with my brothers and sisters. I just expect something to happen when I go to church!
Tyler
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