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You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
Weekly Requirements
Here is a review of the general requirements for each week.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
Thoughts on Application
Roger gave some good thoughts on application:
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
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Marriage Seminar
If you live in the souther Illinois area, we would like to invite you to a Couples' Marriage Enrichment Seminar on Saturday, February 27. It starts at 6:00 p.m and will run to 9:00 p.m.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
The Greatest Love
Since Valentine's Day falls on Sunday this year, I imagine there will be a ton of sermons going out on the topic of love.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Course 11 Week 4
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Dealing with the Closed American Mind
One of the chapters Roger is reading is entitled, (something like) "Dealing with the Closed American Mind." I don't know if it is mentioned in the chapter, but I suspect that if you tak about something where a person has a felt need, you can gain their hearing somewhat.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
Connecting with Postmoderns
This is something most preachers do every Sunday. If you have young unchurched visitors in your church, you will be trying to reach postmoderns. Even some of your church youth are more influenced by postmodernism than by their previous Sunday school teaching.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Preaching--Proclamation of God's Word
Preaching, by one definition, is the proclamation of God's Word. As such, a person, can take the Scriptural passage and find some of its main points and emphasize those points.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
New Format
I am going to try putting my comments for each day in this left sidebar. The comments areas for the remaining weeks are displayed to the right. That is where you will place your comments for each week.
18 comments:
My book is named The Art & Craft og Biblical Preaching by Robinson & Larson. The chapters I'll read this week are:
PART 6: Style
Ch 103 Determining your Strengths & Weaknesses
Ch 104 Interesting Preaching
Ch 105 Crafting an Experience
Ch 106 7 Habits of Highly Effective Preachers
Ch 107 The Sermon's Mood
Ch 108 Teaching the Whole Bible
Ch 109 Dramatic Expository Preaching
Ch 110 Verse-by-Verse Sermons That Really Preach
Ch 111 What Makes Textual Preaching Unique
Ch 112 Can Topical Preaching Also Be Expository
Ch 113 The Biblical Topical Sermon
Ch 114 Topical Preaching on Biblical Characters
Ch 115 Topical Preaching on Contemporary Issues
ch 116 Topical Preaching on Theological Themes
Ch 117 Making The Most of Biblical Paradoxes
Ch 118 Getting The Most from the Sermon series
Ch 119 Trends In Sermon Series
Ch 120 The Compelling Series
Ch 121 First-Person Narrative Sermons
I think it is possible for topical sermons to also be expository (at least within certain definitions). I will be interested to hear what your book has to say about that.
Dramatic expository preaching seems to be have an interesting title too.
I might be asking for some insight on verse-by-verse sermons that really preach too.
The first couple of chapters deal with learning what type of preacher you are. Since I've not been one long I'm still trying to figure that out. I think its natural to do this, but I know it shouldnt matter. This chapter does have a good idea in making a grid on if your more of a mercy preacher,a teacher, exhorter, or a prophetic preacher. His idea is for you to realize it and maybe work to be more balanced.
I feel myself identifying with being an exhorter who sprinkles in some measure of teaching. I try to include mercy, and at times I can display a prophetic style, but it doesn't appear in every message. We should find what the strengths of our personality and gifts are, and then use them to the best advantaqe we can. We also should branch out to achieve balance, but we don't need to focus all our attention on our weakness. Actually, at least a simple majority of our attention should be focused on building on our strengths
I feel that I am an exhorter. At times, I preach mercy. Sometimes I feel that the Lord gives me messages that I have no business preaching, but if I don't do it the Lord's way, I will fail miserably.
The Chapter on dramatic preaching give points on raising important issues as you read the text. It uses an example also of saying that Paul didnt decide one day to write the Galatians and wonder what he was going to write about. He was angry about legalism, so he skipped introductions and went straight to verses like Gal. 1:8. So I see it as knowing the background of the scripture will definetly help in being dramatic, because a lot of the Word can be captivating if you're able to bring that across.
Sean, in your reading of chapters 103-113 (or however far you have gotten to this point if you haven't made it to 113), what did you like best, or what "jumped out at you while you read," or what seemed to be the most helpful? (If you can't nail it down to just one thing, give us one or two of the several that could have answered one of these questions.)
Ch 106 gives some good examples of different styles of preaching. It brought up a word I didnt know, "alliteration". I didnt know it was a style of speaking. It's not rhyming but similar. It would be like saying:
God is good
God is gracious
God is giving
God is great
God is glorious
God is God
The next few chapters deal with topical, textual, and expository preaching. They give examples of each kind, show examples of mixing and matching them. They give advise on not being vauge on subjects, Ch 116 goes thru this pastors process of putting together his sermon on Jesus' command "Be of good cheer". Most of these chapters make you realize that it takes a good amount of studying.
Alliteration is the idea of starting a list of words or series of sentences or phrases all with the same letter.
Sometimes the advantage to doing that is that it helps you to remember your main points better. If you employ this technique, beware of coming up with a point that doesn't really fit, but you want to use it because it starts with the same letter.
Sean-what has been the most interesting chapter that you have studied during this course?
Tyler
Its hard to pinpoint one, There's been a lot of them. One that sticks in my mind is the 1st one written by Rob Bell. I may be a little bias because I really like his books and videos. But he tells the story of when he started his church, he started it with a sermon series on Leviticus that lasted a year. His church grew to over 3000 in that time. Its proof that all the Bible is relevant to all times.
This is our last day in Fl., It has been fun, Its always a little sad to leave, i'll be driving all day tomorrow so remember us in prayer for travelling grace. My plan was to have most of my sermons done for camp, but it didnt happen. I've assembled ideas and hope to bring them together next week. I also ask for your prayers in that as well. I get anxious sometimes when I think about it. I want to do well. I hope to post again on Monday if I dont later tonight.
Is Rob Bell the guy that has a video on something like "Live God Loud"? What was some of the best help (or things that excited) you got from that chapter?
I'm not sure if he done that video or not, He does a lot of short ones called "nooma", that are on all kinds of subjects. The things that stood out to me was that he had enough faith to start his church by using probobly the most skipped over books in the Bible because its mostly rules and somewhat repetitive. He used a lot of visual or object messages. He brought live animals in and dressed the parts. He tried to recreate the ceremonies to bring them to life and show their revelancy to today.
Mike Meece has used some of those videos at church-mostly with the teens, but the adults did watch one on a Wednesday night.
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