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You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
Weekly Requirements
Here is a review of the general requirements for each week.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
Thoughts on Application
Roger gave some good thoughts on application:
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
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Marriage Seminar
If you live in the souther Illinois area, we would like to invite you to a Couples' Marriage Enrichment Seminar on Saturday, February 27. It starts at 6:00 p.m and will run to 9:00 p.m.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
The Greatest Love
Since Valentine's Day falls on Sunday this year, I imagine there will be a ton of sermons going out on the topic of love.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Course 11 Week 4
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Dealing with the Closed American Mind
One of the chapters Roger is reading is entitled, (something like) "Dealing with the Closed American Mind." I don't know if it is mentioned in the chapter, but I suspect that if you tak about something where a person has a felt need, you can gain their hearing somewhat.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
Connecting with Postmoderns
This is something most preachers do every Sunday. If you have young unchurched visitors in your church, you will be trying to reach postmoderns. Even some of your church youth are more influenced by postmodernism than by their previous Sunday school teaching.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Preaching--Proclamation of God's Word
Preaching, by one definition, is the proclamation of God's Word. As such, a person, can take the Scriptural passage and find some of its main points and emphasize those points.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
New Format
I am going to try putting my comments for each day in this left sidebar. The comments areas for the remaining weeks are displayed to the right. That is where you will place your comments for each week.
16 comments:
The title of the DVD course is NT Survey: Acts and Paul. The instructor is Dr. Kevin Hester. I will be watching four more DVDs this week. The title of my book is PAUL: APOSTLE OF THE HEART SET FREE. The author is F.F. Bruce. The chapter I am reading this week are;
21.Christianity in Thessalonica
22.Paul and the Athenians
23.The Church of GOd at Corinth
24.Corinthian Correspondence
25.Baptism and the Lord's Supper in Pauline Thought
My Book is The Art & Craft of Biblical Preaching by Robinson & Larson. I'll be reading 19 chapters this week. They are:
Ch 122 Biblical Preaching is About Life Change, Not Sermon Form
Ch 123 7 Priciples for Reaching Lost People
Ch 124 Evagelistic Preaching in the Local Church
Ch 125 Felt-Needs Preaching
Ch 126 Preaching to Those Ripe for Conversion
Ch 127 How to Preach Boldly in a "Whatever" Culture
C 128 Preaching with a Leaders Heart
Ch 129 Critique of the New Homiletic
PART 7: Stories & Illustrations
Ch 130 3-D Storytelling
Ch 131 Preaching Pyrotechnics
Ch 132 Preaching as Storytelling
Ch 133 How to Tell a Moving Story
Ch 134 Bringing Bible Stories to Life
Ch 135 Suspense
Ch 136 How to Preach Like John Grisham Writes
137 Good Tension
138 Illustration From Pop Culture
139 Adapting with Integrity & Sensitivity
140 Overexposure
Sorry, I posted my initial comment on the wrong post. I am quite interested in chapter 131. The title just jumps out at me. Let me know what that is about.
Chapter 136 looks very interesting also. I really like John Grisham's novels. My favorite is The Rainmaker. I wonder what the author is talking about when it applies to preaching.
I like the title of chapter 122. It reminds me that the Word is whats important, not the preacher. Some of the best sermons that I have heard have been very un-orthodox styles. What do you guys think about it?
I like the title of chapter 122. It reminds me that the Word is whats important, not the preacher. Some of the best sermons that I have heard have been very un-orthodox styles. What do you guys think about it?
Sorry, I accidentally posted the same thing twice.
So, Sean, what is 3-D Storytelling? That looks interesting. We used to have cartoons. That was 2-D. Then we had Veggie Tales and Toy Story--Those were 3-D. How does the term apply to preaching?
Ch. 127. We certainly live in a "whatever" culture. How do you balance meeting people where they are--recognizing they don't even have a clue about Christianity--and preaching boldly? What are some good techniques for doing that?
Sean, you have a lot of ammunition for our discussion this week, just from our questions.
As quick as you can, jump over to Tyler's area and ask him at least three questions. (If you want them to count as quality posts, make a 2-sentence comment about the title, and then ask the question--or make one comment in that post and ask two questions--or ask three questions in the same post about one title.) make sure you make 3 different posts in his area asking him questions.
Both of you will read your chapters this week, but let's focus our discussion on the answers to the questions that were asked.
As I posted in Tylers section, on preaching to a "Whatever" culture, it talks about how Paul could use it relate to them to get their attention, and then bring the Gospel to them. It uses the example of Paul in Athens, when he brings up the shrine for the "unknown God". Its the same today, I have that in mind in speaking at camp next week. The kids needs the same things that we do ultimaley (a relationship w/ God) but what gets their attention is different than mine.
To summarize: here are some things we would like to learn about:
1. What does it mean to preach like John Grishom writes?
2. Does the idea that biblical preaching is about life change--not sermon form relate to Tyler's comment "I like the title of chapter 122. It reminds me that the Word is whats important, not the preacher. Some of the best sermons that I have heard have been very un-orthodox styles"?
3. What is 3-D storytelling?
We had a good time at the youth rally at Camp Jericho last night. The kids really had some good skits. They were full of energy and excitement. It blesses my heart to see young people glorify God and not worry what anyone else thinks of them. I am so glad we have people willing to sacrifice time and effort to help out with the camp. May God bless you all.
On the comparison with John Grishom, the author says that he goes to great detail in desribing a scene. You can do the same thing with a story-telling sermon. It warns of doing too much describing, stick to only info that gets the person there. It uses the Good Samaratan story, how Jesus set up the story, but didn't give an overload of info.
In 3-D Storytelling, the Author says he uses the 3 D's in forming a sermon. THe 1st one is Details: Describing a scene to make the person see it in their mind
The 2nd is Dialogue: He gives an example of telling a story and having the characters talking. Meaning, that the listener is eavesdropping on a conversation. The 3rd D is Denouement, which was a word that I didn't know, but the author says its a college word for an ending to a story. Which the author says is very important. Bring closure to the story.
On CH 122, yes it does say that sermon form is not where the importance should be focused. It says you can bring up 30 verses but if they're not put into application, they can be misinterpreted. THe author says he says the sermon should use the Word to answer what the listener should know,feel and do. He says the word should be like soap that soaks into our fabric that will wash out the things that go against Gods Word. Basically to have it in us to allow it to convict us.
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