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You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
You will notice some posts below that relate to various topics of discussion by our online community of preachers.
One of the purposes of Preachers' Meeting is to provide a place for young ministers or those recently called to preach to interact around the principles in a course of study recommended by our local group of preachers in the Southern Illinois area.
We invite you to look in on our conversations. If you would like to add comments as a guest, you are welcome to do so.
If this looks interesting to you, you may join us as we start a new session. You can look in the side bar (or sometimes it is moved to right below this post) to see the weekly requirements. We start new courses every 8 or 9 weeks. As already mentioned, you are welcome to comment as a guest before that time.
Below these posts, you will see the word, "comments." Just click on it, and you will see a box on the right side of the screen where you may add your comments.
Look around. Enjoy yourself, and come back often!
Weekly Requirements
Here is a review of the general requirements for each week.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
You have three assignments each week
(1) Make at least two initial posts in your posting area. The first one will be the name of the course, and the names (or numbers of the DVD's) of the chapters or lectures you will be covering during the week. The second one will be a comment on one of those chapters. You will receive one point for getting the first post in on Tuesday or Wednesday. You will also get a point for getting at least one more initial post in.
(2) Go to your fellow student's posting areas, and ask them a question or make comments about their intial posts. You will recieve one point for completing this assignment before 12:00 a.m. on Friday morning (that would be before midnight on Thursday).
(3) Answer the questions asked.
(4) On Fridays, I will also give directions for making remaining posts during the week. Be sure and read those, and take them into account when making at least one of your remaining posts.
In all, we want to make at least nine posts during the week. You will receive points for that as follows:
9 or more posts - 12 points
6-8 posts - 10 points
3-5 posts - 6 points
1-2 posts - 3 points
You will have the extra points you had accumulated by getting things in on time. Those are bonus points that will be used only to move your grade closer to 100 if you need them. They will be awarded each week if needed to move your grade up to 12 for the week. If you do not need them for that week, they will be carried over to the next week(s). Remember the posts that count for points will be at least three sentences long.
Thoughts on Application
Roger gave some good thoughts on application:
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.
"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,
"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,
"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,
"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."
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Marriage Seminar
If you live in the souther Illinois area, we would like to invite you to a Couples' Marriage Enrichment Seminar on Saturday, February 27. It starts at 6:00 p.m and will run to 9:00 p.m.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.
The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."
The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."
Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."
The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.
The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!
To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.
The Greatest Love
Since Valentine's Day falls on Sunday this year, I imagine there will be a ton of sermons going out on the topic of love.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.
Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.
Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.
Course 11 Week 4
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Dealing with the Closed American Mind
One of the chapters Roger is reading is entitled, (something like) "Dealing with the Closed American Mind." I don't know if it is mentioned in the chapter, but I suspect that if you tak about something where a person has a felt need, you can gain their hearing somewhat.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
What are your thoughts?
You may scroll down and comment in the week 3 comments area. Visitors are welcome to comment also.
Connecting with Postmoderns
This is something most preachers do every Sunday. If you have young unchurched visitors in your church, you will be trying to reach postmoderns. Even some of your church youth are more influenced by postmodernism than by their previous Sunday school teaching.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:
"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."
I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.
Preaching--Proclamation of God's Word
Preaching, by one definition, is the proclamation of God's Word. As such, a person, can take the Scriptural passage and find some of its main points and emphasize those points.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.
People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.
New Format
I am going to try putting my comments for each day in this left sidebar. The comments areas for the remaining weeks are displayed to the right. That is where you will place your comments for each week.
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I will wrap up this study of Robert Shank's book "Life in the Son" this week. This is a study of The Doctrine of Perseverance. I will report on Chapter 19 titled "Is Apostasy Without Remedy?".
In this chapter as well as being the last chapter, ask a very sobering question is apostasy without remedy, as some beleive that it is, Bro. Shank does not share that view. Take for instance as he quotes 2Peter 3: 7-9, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Take the Laodicean Church for instance, he was ready to spew them out of his mouth but yet v. 19 gives them oppotunity to repent. And how about the prodical son who displayed the no care attitude of apostasy but coming to himself repented. God is so good even in Rev. 22:17 "come", the invitation is still open,"come".
Good morning Roger, I agree with the thought that you're given the opportunity to repent until your time is up. You can always make the arguement that most people who reject God probobly wouldnt accept Him at the last moment. I look at it as God has the final say, and no one but the person & Him know whats taking place. I find that He's just, but He is also merciful.
Another part of the Bible I think of is when Jesus is telling the parable of the workers, and the ones that started in the last hour were paid the same as the one who had worked 11. I get from that that Jesus was saying it didnt matter when you became saved. This also doesnt involve apostasy, but it says you can come to know God in the last hour.
Praise God for His mercy! I am glad that we serve a God of second chances. If it weren't for that, I would not be here. Hallelujah!!
While either one or the other is actually true, we often come in contact with what are called "hard cases" when we observe the practical applications of this idea.
Here is an example: Someone (person # 1) says that a person cannot be a true believer and later become an unbeliever. Another person (person # 2) says a person could be a true believer and later be a true unbeliever. Further, the person in the second situation (person # 2) says that if that happens, the true unbeliever (after having been a true believer) can never become a true believer again (apostasy being without remedy.)
The practical situation: You have someone who makes a profession of faith and becomes very active in church work. Then, later in his (or her, we will continue to refer to this person as "he" for this example) life he claims that Christianity is "hogwash" seemingly turning his back on his earlier faith.
What does person number 1 do with that? In order to fit his "system," he has to say, "Well, that person must not really have been saved in the first place."
Now let's say that person (who looked like a true believer, then looked like a true unbeliever (apostate)) realizes the error of his ways and truly wants to repent and put his full faith in Christ. What does person # 2 do with that situation? Do he deny the person who wants to repent and trust in Christ the opportunity to pray because it does not fit in with his (person # 2's) "system"? He will probably resort to the same technique of person number 1, saying, "Well, he must not really have been saved in the first place."
The bottom line, to me, is that there is no salvation outside of faith in Christ. Our assurance is based on how much we know we are in Christ. In the hard case example, all we can do is accept the person's testimony. If he says he believes in Christ, for our part, we accept his testimony (only God knows the person's inner thoughts and sincerity). If that person later is a Christ denier, we cannot hold that he or she is truly saved because we know there is no salvation outside of Christ.
Then if any person truly seems to want to repent and really place his faith in Christ, we can talk to him and talk about how that salvation is by grace through faith, and that if a person truly puts his faith in Christ, he has a biblical basis for claiming the assurance of salvation.
That's why the bottom line of Bro. Shank's thesis is so important. While we may argue about our observations of other people's commitments, one thing we know:
(I John 5:12) "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."
That's why I go back to Dr. Bob Jones Sr's. classic statement. "Some say you can get it (salvation) and lose it. Others say you can get it and not lose it. What I want to know is: 'Do you have it?"
All I have to say to that is AMEN!!
My lesson was the book written by Robert Shank titled "Life in the Son, a Study of the Doctrine of Perseverance". The title of the book tells the lesson as a whole,"perseverance" but there are many other lessons we could glean from this book as we persevere. Like the teachings on "grace" chapter one, I'm not sure we will ever grasp the whole meaning of grace in this life(just my thought),also the importance of chapter five, "What Saith the Scriptures", chapter eleven is a whole lesson in itself,"The Chastening of the Lord", a lesson in holiness, chapter fifteen is a very encouraging lesson on "being more than a conqueror"and chapter nineteen "Is Apostasy Without Remedy" thank the great God we serve is a God of second chances or I should say "opportunities". But there is one common thread weaving through the lesson as a whole and that is "FAITH", for what have we to pesevere for if we did'nt have the faith of being with Jesus for eternity to come at the end of this life. I was so impressed with the writings of this book that I bought a used copy off the internet it should be here any day.
The first word in this lesson unfamiliar to me was"antinomianism",meaning a belief that christians are not bound by established laws, especially moral laws,but should rely on faith and divine grace for salvation. The next word unfamiliar to me is"exegete" meaning someone who studies and interprets text. The next foreign word to me is "potency" defined as the ability to develop a capacity to grow. Lastly, "erroneous" probably the strangest word to me, refers to an incorrect assumption or containing something that is incorrect.
The major parts in the study is as follows: Perseverance, Grace, Faith, Study of scripture, Apostasy, and Salvation. The book really was not divided but a collection of these teachings.
The underlying message of this study makes it applicable to real life and ministry use because of the solid scriptural teachings of doctrines, beliefs and truths.
Good job on the assignment, Bro. Roger.
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