Preachers Meeting: Course 6 Week 7 Roger's Topics

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

Course 6 Week 7 Roger's Topics

8 comments:

roger said...: My study is Robert Shank's book "Life in the Son" a study of the Doctrine of Perseverance. I will be studying chapter 17; Kept by the" Power of God", and chapter 18;" That You May Know that You Have Eternal Life"; March 17, 2009 at 8:05 PM
roger said...: Chapter 17, Kept by the Power of God, talks mainly about trusting mainly in God and grace for an eternal life.Holding fast to the promises of God, being content with things God gives us,because he has said he would never leave us or forsake us. It ends with a wonderful quote by C.H. Spurgeon,"Holding, I am held". That is an awesome thought. This requires action from us. Amen!!!; March 17, 2009 at 8:19 PM
roger said...: I would like to comment on chapter 18 as well. It is titled,"That You May Know That You Have Eternal Life". This chapter talks alot about Calvinism, his theology is that if you "finsh the race" you are one of the elect should you not finish it was God's design and you must perish. I heard a teaching on the parable of the sower and that it taught that only 25% of people would be saved. What do you guys think?; March 18, 2009 at 7:05 AM
sremery said...: Without studying it deeper, my 1st thought of the question is no. But one way a Calvinist could justify that to me would be that if God already knows the end result of this world, it could be right. But to me that would be too much speculation and draws away from having a relationship with God.; March 19, 2009 at 4:08 PM
sremery said...: I like the title of that chapter 18. I like it because you can read it as a statement or a question. Does your author disagree with Calvinism?; March 19, 2009 at 4:15 PM
roger said...: Yes Sean, Bro. Shank does disagree with Calvinism. Bro. Shank's conclusion on this matter is this, "the elect will persevere,and they who persevere are elect.; March 19, 2009 at 7:00 PM
roger said...: I feel that Bro. Shank disagrees with the Calvinist teaching on unconditional security, Calvin, if I understand his teaching correctly, taught that God chose the elect and placed the inner witness of the Spirit within them,empowering them to persevere, but he also taught that the reprobate could receive the inner witness but God would have no intention for them to persevere, so if I have understood this teaching I feel Bro. Shank disagreed with the Calvinist and his teaching to be "illogical"; March 23, 2009 at 6:32 AM
Dr. Randy Carney said...: Ah, I see that last post was your assignment. Good job!; March 23, 2009 at 7:51 AM

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Thoughts on Application

Roger gave some good thoughts on application:

"Chapter 75, titled: 'Apply Within' is a lesson in application. The writer explains why it is sometimes difficult applying a sermon to real life situations. I will list some of the reasons application is not applied to our lives.

"First it is "hard work", it is hard to find application to every situation in the congregation,

"second, is wrong assumptions, assuming the audience is able to apply any and all biblical truths is totally a wrong assumption,

"third, is fear, fear of being to deep or to simplistic in the text and failing at application, and then there is training or lack thereof,

"many preachers know the text, and the history and the order of things but are totally untrained in application. One gentleman said it this way," how can you be a good football player when you can pass the ball, or when you can kick the ball, or when you can run with the ball but you don't know the rules of the game."

Marriage Seminar

If you live in the souther Illinois area, we would like to invite you to a Couples' Marriage Enrichment Seminar on Saturday, February 27. It starts at 6:00 p.m and will run to 9:00 p.m.

After the welcome, there will be a dinner. Then there will be an opening session, followed by two breakout sessions, then a short closing.

The Keynote Speaker is Dr. Randy Carney (That's me :)!) and Roger and Janet Dutton will be speaking during the breakout sessions (That's Roger, who is commenting on this blog during this term!). Randy and Rhonda (my wife!) Carney will also have a breakout session discussing "Keys to Marital Bliss."

The Keynote Address will be on the topic of "The Way to a Successful Marriage: The Shocking and Surprising Truth."

Roger and Janet will be talking about "Hope for Restoring your marriage."

The cost is $15.00 per couple and that includes a dinner and all seminar materials. A nursery and childcare will be available. (Please indicate that you need these services when you register.) A book table with resources from Handfuls on Purpose Christian Bookstore will be available.

The seminar is for couples of all ages, ranging from newlyweds to marriage veterans!

To register, call 618-627-2228 to let the church know how may will be attending. Payment can be made at the event. (Make checks to TFBC.) For more information, call the church at 618-627-2228.

The Greatest Love

Since Valentine's Day falls on Sunday this year, I imagine there will be a ton of sermons going out on the topic of love.

Paul talked about love and respect in marriage (Ephesians 5), but he was really saying that that was an illustration of the relationship between Christ and the church.

Christ
Left Heaven to come to this earth.
He
Overcame adversity while here. He even conquered death!
He
Valued mankind so much that He gave Himself on the cross.
He desires fellowship with us. He reconciled the world to Himself, so that people could have an
Intimate realtionship with Him.
He meets all of our
Needs.
He is the supreme example of
Giving.

Do you see the word, LOVING, there? That is what He is--our LOVING Savior! Because of that, we should love one another.

Connecting with Postmoderns

This is something most preachers do every Sunday. If you have young unchurched visitors in your church, you will be trying to reach postmoderns. Even some of your church youth are more influenced by postmodernism than by their previous Sunday school teaching.

Here is my reply to one of Roger's posts:

"Roger, what tips stand out to you for commecting with postmoderns? I think the term modern referred to an age in history that related to new thoughts in science, etc. (If I am off base, refresh my memory.) Post modern refers to the time following that era. Connecting with postmoderns is something you have to do, whether you realize it or not, almost every time you preach."

I will post some of his answers here if he sees the question in time.

Preaching--Proclamation of God's Word

Preaching, by one definition, is the proclamation of God's Word. As such, a person, can take the Scriptural passage and find some of its main points and emphasize those points.

While I believe we should learn all we can about the grammatical construction of the words of Scripture, and that we should learn all we can about the historical setting for when those words were originally spoken; the nice thing about proclaiming the Word is that you can just take what the text says and emphasize it. Then the Word will not return void.

People with all different types of backgrounds have been called to preach throughout the centuries. Some very "unlearned" (as the world would put it) men have had great results by simply taking the main ideas of Scripture and simply emphasizing them. As long as we do not twist the meaning, this simply shows the amazing power of the Word of God.